I'm simply saying that one day tobacco may be illegal - and when it is, will you turn in your pipes and tobacco? If so, great; if not, then you have no moral position to condemn pot smoking Not too long ago, there was a thread on whether or not we would quit smoking our pipes if it became illegal A number of posters stated they would continue to smoke their pipes I am one of those that would "probably" continue Therefore, it would be hypocritical of me to condemn someone who continues to smoke pot despite it's being illegal Some pointed out they would simply regard it as civil disobedience My support of pot in this thread is not about pot, it is simply about whether or not I can support a law that is there to protect ourselves from ourselves Our country was founded by illegal means - we rebelled against the legal authorities This revolution is regarded in a positive light, and celebrated on the coming Independence Day I disagree entirely, however if posession and distribution of tobacco really did become illegal, I have no doubt that I would rather get rid of my stash than go to jail.
What choice would I have? Would you risk going to jail and being torn away from your career, your family, and your loved ones simply so you could smoke your pipe for a little while prior to being incarcerated?
I would not sell my soul or breech my principles for any material item. I'm not that materialistic. Living in a free society requires that we adhere to the laws of the land, which were put in place not by individual dictators, but by democratic means. If the laws seem improper or outdated, there is a legal process in place to change them, or strike them down. The reason why tobacco will never be outlawed is due to the enormous tax revenue it creates, however, if that was not the case we as tobacco smokers could ensure it's continued availability by getting together and lobbying our governments.
Our forefathers fought hard to ensure this would be the case. The ability to effect change is the ultimate freedom. I don't think so, as I'm not a big believer in civil disobedience as a means of effecting legal change.
I just don't think it works. As you know, we have plenty of civil disobedience up our way in the form of logging protests, various conference protests, etc. Nothing wrong with protesting, but I think the better way to go would be to take that energy and use it to organize formal legal challenges and a powerful political lobby. To look at an example, when the City of Vancouver came down with their draconian anti smoking by-laws, many restaurant and bar owners vowed they would never abide by it.
They got their 15 minutes of fame on the local news, and paid their fines, but the anti smoking by-laws were still in place. A group of organized citizens, bar owners, and lawyers looked into the situation, and found that the businesses were not given sufficient notice by the city to comply, and thus the by-law was imposed unfairly.
This finding resulted in the by-lay being struck down, which is where we are at now. Of course, another by-law is in the works, but no amount of civil disobedience would have caused the original by-law to be struck down. The same thing could be said of the provincial photo radar program. Many people chose to demonstrate their disapproval of the program by refusing to pay their tickets.
That was fine, but they ended up with even larger penalties that they had to pay, or they would not be allowed to renew their car insurance. A clever coalition, headed by a lawyer, researched the issue throughly, and found that the serial number of the photo radar equipment that was listed on all the photo radar tickets given out by the Vancouver Police Dept.
This led to every photo radar ticket given out for the previous18 months to be forgiven. Of course, there is plenty of room for all forms of expression by all sorts of folks in our society, which is what makes it a great place to live in. Not a pipe related topic is it..
Unless of course, they at some point in the future decide to make illegal that other drug, nicotine Look at the studies being pushed off as proven scientific fact It is entirely conceivable that we will one day be in the same position as the pot smokers are now And maybe not that far off As for them being scared of losing tax revenue, can you imagine the amount of tax revenue they are losing by not taxing marijuana? I don't think that if marijuana were legalized and taxed it woud bring in even a small fraction of what tobacco brings in now.
Much smaller market. I'm pretty sure neither Canada or the US could afford to outlaw tobacco completely, as it would mean billions and billions of dollars in lost revenues. If they really wanted to, they would have done it by now. There isn't much to stop them, as the "pro smoking" movement is all but nonexistent politically. Anyways, we are off topic, as you say, but I've enjoyed this discussion.
Back to pipe smoking, the gentle art of which we can certainly all agree upon! Regards, Kurt. When you lose a freedom due to politically correct hysteria They don't have to be. They're contaminated by contact with money that WAS. If I have five bills in my wallet and put in one that was used in that fashion, just the proximity of the bills and the rubbing in the wallet will mean that cocaine residue will spread to the other bills.
I enjoyed reading your post Smoking a Les Wood Poker, silver spigot.. I quit smoking the other stuff 10 years ago Classic and well proportioned. It is indeed a very nice pipe that I'm sure you will enjoy for years to come. The only problem now is that it's fate will be in the hands of Canada Post :0 Kurt. And when folks look over my collection, its usually one of a couple they think looks the best My wife wants me to buy more!
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