Getting child from direct sibling increases it far more. Simple scientic point, is not difficult to understand. But again if you mind is made up not to understand than you cannot do any thing about it. Frankly the only reason I have against cousin marriages is the one articulated by Sinclair. Shahzad 8 years ago Reply I find this argument very informative. Yes gays marriages are more important than anything else in this world : Shah Berlin 8 years ago Reply John B: The writer actually explained it in a good way.
You cant tabboo some thing if you dont like it. In one hand you say you liv in a free world and than because You cannot understand or accept you call in incest.
You need proper research to discuss on the topic. But like the writer explained, that people in US or many other part of the world just dont want to Sobriquet 8 years ago Reply Abid P Khan: Abrahimic theology states that Cain was born with a twin sister and Abel was a triplet with two twin sisters.
Westerner 8 years ago Reply faiz: Personally I think that the government should not have a say in it. Let people decide for themselves whether they find it justified or not to marry your cousin and have children.
But the more I ponder about the issue, the more I think a ban would be more than reasonable. Think of it, cousin-marriages that run generation after generation have wider implications on the society, beginning with children themselves being handicapped, to huge medical care. How else are you going to convince these people? Should we educate them, not restrict them?
I don't believe that education would help. Habitual cultural patterns require rather experienced and confident choosing of 'our' world. Before we can point out the risks of cousin marriages we should indicate that such relationships are undesirable.
Only then can you really discourage people and educate them. A ban would not be effective and highly symbolic, but it would be a primary step in discouraging such behavior. By comparing cousin marriages to other groups the author is not only wrong, but he uses an invalid argument as well. He looks purely at the 'effect' of the act and not the act itself. So the act of having a child after you're 35 years old is equal to father a child with a cousin.
For we in the West find it normal to have children so late in life as other cultures find it normal to marry a cousin.
However, the author forgets that cousin marriages eventually lead to more consanguinity. If it is a cultural practice to marry your cousin, what stops you as a offspring of a cousin marriage not to follow the example of your parents?
What about the effects of generations of consanguinity? Are the risks the same as the other mentioned risk groups? Working Woman 8 years ago Reply No point banning Cousin marriages If you block out everything and look at a single cousin marriage and their children you're not going to get it. It's not even about disease. It's something that is progressively harmful if you do it too much. It causes genetic deterioration of intellectual faculties.
The proof is your own Muslim societies that have practiced it as if first cousins were the best choice for generations. That's not even an attempt at an insult. It's completely obvious and I am far from the only one that notices. Working Woman 8 years ago Reply Well reasoned article. As others have pointed out the negative effects of incestuous marriages all marriages to blood relatives are technically incestuous will become more pronounced when it occurs consistently with multiple cousin marriages within the same lineage, and when cousin marriage is common in a society as a whole.
So for example Europeans and Americans are in general taller than us. We are also more likely to have e. I would imagine that the incidence of all genetic diseases would be higher here. Such outcomes height let's say over the very long term would depend on many things e.
But surely the fact that cousin marriages are prevalent in our region will be responsible in part too for these long term outcomes. I wonder if there is a study on this Riaz Haq 8 years ago Reply 5 bucks says that this blogger is married to his first cousin. Do you think that there should be an absolute ban? I think that's the discussion. Not that people should keep on marrying cousins.
SK5 8 years ago Reply Go to the southern states and you'll find a whole lot of first-cousin marriages. This certainly isn't a "muslim" thing. Westerner 8 years ago Reply You're a professor at a medical school and you're claiming there is nothing wrong with cousin marriages? The figures you show only relate to one generation, the risk becomes cumulative when generations of cousin-cousin marriages occur, as it is usual with Islamic communities and countries and the rednecks, some Indians and others.
Arabs are among the people who suffer the most by genetic disorders. Among the Arab population there are more than nine hundred genetic diseases. On the basis of a report by the CAGS there are approximately two hundred of these genetic diseases occurring among the Arabs in the Gulf States alone.
While British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in Britain, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15, to 20, children born each year with genetic defects. The vast majority of problems are caused by recessive gene disorders, according to British genetic scientists. One in ten children from these cousin marriages either dies in infancy or develops a serious life-threatening disability.
These include blindness, deafness, blood disorders such as sickle cell anemia, heart or kidney failure, lung or liver problems and myriad complex neurological or brain disorders, and a lower IQ. The same health issues have come to light in recent years in other European countries like Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands. The reason is the large number of marriages between close relatives, that is prevalent among Turkish immigrants who marry generation after generation in the same family gene pool.
These defects include mental diseases, metabolic diseases or disorders of the central nervous system. Several sociologists already speak of the 'Turks Ghetto' Berlin, where the problems are very large. Moreover, the family often do everything possible to find a marriage partner for their disabled children, which only magnifies the problem in the coming generation further on.
And as I recall Einstein did not have any children with Elsa. Now did he? So coming up next is marraige between brothers and sisters followed by uncles and neices.
Pragmatist 8 years ago Reply The author must move to Pakistan if he intends to marry his first cousin. First cousins marrying first cousins over several generations would lead to problems I think. A honest broad look at societies practicing it confirms the trend. Ha - You said it all! The Khan 8 years ago Reply Cousin marriage leads to diseases and stupidity is debunked so many times- i don't even know why people keep on repeating it. Case in point, me. My mom and dad are first cousins and I am a chartered accountant in Canada working for Deloitte and my sister is studying medicine.
No diseases so far although i did get chicken pox and food poisoning from eating roadside gol gappas back in Karachi , don't know whether it counts or not. Farid S. Rahman 8 years ago Reply Author's defense of marriages of first cousins is fundamentally flawed when he talks about an increase of risks from percent to percent.
It might be so, the first time it happens. But don't the risks increase a lot more when first cousins from first cousin marriages get married? And the increase in risks most certainly doesn't stop with the second generation - it gets worse as first cousin marriages are perpetuated for generation after generation.
Furthermore, without the taboo, every uncle will be wary of his nephews casting lustful eyes on his daughters and in the wait for hanky panky within the family environment. The taboo makes for a much healthier familial dynamics. Obaid 8 years ago Reply Awesome research and amazing finisher : some-one 8 years ago Reply I read a few blogs from this dude.
They are really toxic. He goes to some extent in wrong direction to prove anything Islam is glorified and correct. Given the high rate of such marriages, many children come from repeat generations of first-cousin marriages.
The report states that these children are 13 times more likely than the general population to produce children with genetic disorders, and one in ten children of first-cousin marriages in Birmingham either dies in infancy or develops a serious disability. An easier way to figure out would be to ask any doctor in Britain about how Pakistani origin people are clogging the NHS thanks to their repeated inbreeding.
The fact that many of these people don't have full-time jobs and live off benefits doesn't help either. By the way, Einstein's marriage to Lowenthal did not produce any children.
If the author can counter those studies, I would like to hear it. The only benefit cousin marriage has is that the groom and bride are well known to both the families and often each other, there is no other benefit.
Adnan 8 years ago Reply Someone has a crush on their cousin mr. The only benefit cousin marriage has is that the groom and bride are well known to both the families and often each other. Main reason Muslims marry cousins is lack of trust in other non-related Muslims. Inbreeding over time can definitely increase birth defects by increasing defective genes in the pool.
I support Muslims right to marry their relatives. American 8 years ago Reply The author is trying to mislead by applying false logic Increased potential for birth defects in case of mother's advanced age is not equal or same as argued by the author that due to first cousin marriages.
They are independent, have nothing to do with each other, and are, in fact, "cumulative". That is, the risk due to advanced age of mother should be 'added' to the risk due to first cousin marriages.
So you then get a double dose of potential risk. You can keep adding additional risk factors What has Einstein marrying his first cousin got to do with this at all? It is like saying that a person crossed railway lines every day for 10 years Except once. That time, the train hit him. Say, a couple who are 1st cousins marry. If their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. MSS 8 years ago Reply Your arguments are using other situations to justify what is happening in only Muslim societies.
Long time ago, when Islam was born and Christianity and Judaism before that in the same geographical area, the populations were small within each faith. There was a serious shortage of females and males, particularly males because of constant fighting and disease amongst other factors.
So first cousin marriage was allowed in Islam though it was deemed 'incest' in other cultures. Also, people including the so called wise men did not know the long term genetic mutational effect that this kind of pairing would inflict. Then there was the benefit of keeping property within the same clan if not the family. If you look at times much earlier than that, researchers have found from DNA samples taken from bodies buried near each other or within the same area that brothers and sisters had produced off springs, a reality born out of sheer necessity.
However, that happened long long ago. The world is over populated now, the medical facts are known, so why continue with te same practice? You are trying to justify an obviously a wrong practice.
The percentages you quoted translate into a huge number of physically or mentally challenged children. The anguish and pain this situation brings on families who have to bear it is only understood if one lives through it.
Then there is the resource implication for the individual, the family and the state. All this just to justify the culture? A culture is meant to be dynamic to accommodate the needs of people not static to feed itself on the vagaries of societies. Ilyad 8 years ago Reply good one doctor sahib, kaalchakra 8 years ago Reply Faheem, most excellent post.
You so rightly point out that instead of following the Quran, Bible and Torah, Muslim youth today is being seduced away from the Islamic path. Because of ignorance, it has become fashionable to decry cousin marriages for no purpose at all as you pointed out. Its blind critics ignore the tradition's many many benefits. Before we marry someone, we are called upon to know them.
Can we know anyone more easily and better than our cousins? It will be hard to imgaine. We also need strong families, and cousin marriages are the best means of strengthening the bonds of any family. Cousin marries allow families to keep their hard-earned money within family. This natural saving is the surest, although unrecognized means to long-term community prsoperity and national progress. It teaches us the value of cooperation, adjustment, and love - which are all deeply regarded Islamic values.
The institution of cousin marriages needs to be protected from unfair criticism and widely promoted. We need to explain to non-Muslims why it is really the best means of finding a spouse for anyone - as Einstein's case proves it. Ahm 8 years ago Reply Thought Provoking! John B 8 years ago Reply Well, each civilization has its own code and incest is variously defined in the same civilization differently over a period of time and the common law either approved, disapproved or banned such marriages.
Of all the women available, why does one want to marry a first cousin anyway. All cousin marriages are arranged marriages, and arranged marriages can also seek non cousin spouses. So why first cousin marriage so desperately? Even brother sister incestuous marriages were practiced all over the world once upon a time and it is also recorded in old testament, Zorastrian literature, and Egyptian papyrus.
Does that mean we should continue that practice? If first cousin marriage is okay then why not allow brother -sister union as well. After all, the arguments in favor of first cousin marriages family relations, family unity, wealth preservation etc are also equally applicable to brother-sister union and argues strongly in favor of this type of incestuous union as compared to cousin marriages.
So, why not allow incestuous marriage; or why the society moved away from this type of union very early in the civilization development? The laws in the US are the same everyone in each state in the US and federal law trumps over state law, so take it or leave it. Human civilization has progressed a long way.
And yes, after three generations of continued cousin marriages, inherited diseases do appear at higher gene frequency. Also, the infertility rates among first cousin marriages are high.
BlackJack 8 years ago Reply I think this is a rational viewpoint on a topic which attracts strong opinions. Even in India, within Hinduism, there are different approaches which are poles apart. I don't know. The data provided in the article is very interesting, but fails to address the impact of generations of inbreeding on the health and intelligence of the child.
Would be interesting to see this info as well. Abid P Khan 8 years ago Reply Those conversant with the religious myths of the so-called Abrahimic Religions, can some one explain how could one of the two brothers, Cain and Abel found a girl for marrying? Their was no one else around. They were the only progeny of Adam and Eve, two male children. This lacuna has been bothering me. Amna 8 years ago Reply I can't tell you how happy I am to see this article. I like how everyone uses babies as an argument against cousin marriages.
Gay people do not intend to have babies when they have sex, so why is that okay and not cousin marriages. This being said, I do not want to or plan to marry any of my cousins, and I think it causes too much family drama anyway.
But like you mentioned, a society that claims to be 'free' should not allow people to be victim to such unnecessary stigma. I would say since sex for many is all about two consenting adults having a good time and making their own choices, especially in the US- babies are not the primary reason for having sex; even actual incest can not be banned using logical arguments. This is because having sex for fun and for babies are now considered two totally different unrelated things, with all the advancement in healthcare.
Sinclair 8 years ago Reply Didnt realize this was still a topic of discussion! I will give you the number one reason for banning cousin marriages for all time: It fosters an unhealthy, insecure atmosphere for girls at home - when they feel unsure about who is their brother and who wants to be their beau. Thats pretty messed up. Replying to X Saved! Your comment will be displayed after the approval. Invalid Email. Comments are moderated and generally will be posted if they are on-topic and not abusive.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, redistributed or derived from. In much of the world, consanguineous marriage between cousins is very common. For most Americans, however, marriage between cousins is at best a punchline, at worst a taboo. In many states, it is illegal for first cousins to get married. The objections are ostensibly based on the risk of genetic problems. But is there an actual risk?
The genetic risks in question are related to something called unmasking. It goes something like this: We each receive one copy of each gene from each of our parents. Thus, we inherit two versions of each gene called alleles ; one is dominant and one recessive. For a recessive gene to actually manifest in an individual, both copies of the gene must be the recessive allele.
If an individual inherits only one recessive allele of the gene, the individual is considered a carrier who can pass on the illness to their offspring. But when an individual inherits two copies of a dangerous recessive allele, they the gene is said to be unmasked and inherit the condition. Most of them entered the Union and formulated their marriage legislation after the Civil War Ottenheimer Interpretation Ottenheimer advances an interesting theory of the reasons for this complex and puzzling difference among the states.
He observes that the different models of incest prohibition reflect a marked change in 19th century social values.
The biblical model represents a carryover of older, pre-industrial attitude towards family life. It focuses on adherence to scriptural authority and on the maintenance of social order within the family, through the elimination of possible occasions for role conflicts and personal antagonisms among closely related people.
The western model represents a change to a conceptualization of the family as an instrumental reproductive unit geared to producing optimally healthy offspring.
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